Moon dust, […], does not interfere with the biological processes. He made no actual comment of his own. r/EliteDangerous. That should reduce contamination from outside. No mention of hypothesis vs theory in there. Unless you want to tell me that knives are toxic because it can cut your eyes, your skin, and your lungs? For a long time there was little interest in going back, but at just three days journey away from Earth, the Moon is an obvious target for further investigation. Join us at patreon.com/universetoday. Etc. After all, you're not orbiting the sun anymore; you're orbiting a much closer object that has a much larger impact on the physical conditions of your world. There would have to be a good supply of air. It was something every single person who cared saw anyway, because they also looked on Wikipedia. 3a)To be correct in this, we need to confirm that the other man is not my baby boy, to take one example, because that would invalidate the theory. Moon receives more harmful UV radiation then Earth does. But as they skirted its rim, searching for the best path down, they informed Houston that the crater was far too steep. And you know nothing about the definition of fact! After all, we’ve done it before. But as it does so, the wind does not flow evenly into the bottoms of the deep craters at the poles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicosis They used to think that about asbestos, too! These are more interesting, because they can be repeated by oneself and by others. For starters, these particles are sharp. As a result any sort of assault could have long term effects. We could try living on the moon... but it might not be a good idea. Future astronauts might traverse the lunar landscape for much longer, giving them ample time to breathe in the deadly dust. No more static cling! If we are going to have space probes on the moon, should they be on the light or dark side of the moon? (according to the original article) that could actually make it more The Moon tilts only slightly toward the Sun, so the solar wind flows fairly evenly over its poles. The researchers conclude that only studies conducted on-site will fill the gaps in our knowledge of lunar dust toxicity. It can change in multiple ways, such as divorce, or counselling, or a separation period, or something like that. The habitat would also need to be equipped with lights to help counter the effects of sleep deprivation. Asbestos is poisonous, and therefore toxic. cancer. Asbestos actually isn’t any more chemically toxic than Lunar dust. Asbestos directly interferes with an organism that inhales it, or absorbes it through its skin. The samples returned by the Apollo missions have not been kept in a true lunar-like environment — being removed from exposure to radiation and not stored in a vacuum, for instance — and as such may not accurately exhibit the properties of actual dust as it would be encountered on the Moon. One of the first men to orbit the Moon has told BBC Radio 5 Live that it's "stupid" to plan human missions to Mars. A trip will be possible only if scientists find ways to mitigate these challenges. Mars has silica and iron oxide. On the moon the pressure would actually squeeze our body like a trashed can. Secondly, you are clearly in need of some attitude adjustment. As the moon orbits Earth, different parts are in sunlight or the dark at different times. Without it, he added, astronauts might find themselves unable to face life-threatening emergencies. Sloppy writing on my part. But if you were doing it anyway, there are many effects. Like pollutants encountered on Earth, such as asbestos and volcanic ash, lunar dust particles are small enough to penetrate deep within lung tissues, and may be made even more dangerous by their long-term exposure to proton and UV radiation. Tourists may also be interested in a short visit. “Facts are unimportant in science, because they have no intrinsic value.” And the award for the most ridiculous statement of this thread goes to… Don’t worry though, we know what meant. As astronauts enter a habitat or transport their suits will need to be cleaned. However, astronauts who stay at a lunar base or colony might find there are unexpected consequences from this. They’re true. If we get back to the lunar surface, astronauts will have to contend with much more than perilous rocket flights and the vacuum of space. These are verified summaries provided by the mathematics in the model, and borne out by observed data that was obtained by the mathematical model and subsequent experimentation. Lol. The lunar meteorites I’m in possession of didn’t come with a warning to “store in lead box”. While the research behind the paper used data about airborne pollutants known to exist on Earth and simulated lunar dust particles, actual lunar dust is harder to test. Some risk has to be accepted. toxicity reactions. However, once in deep space – on the way to the Moon or Mars, for example – the dangers of lethal doses of radiation become an increasing worry and … Ok, I’ll have to consider this carefully. You seem to have too many references against Wikipedia in your comments. The Moon might be the most realistic planet(oid) we can conquer. Why so rude? If the medical textbook you quoted from doesn’t qualify its statement about toxicity, then it is at best incomplete. I would think that if Martian dust was sharp like Lunar dust, it would have damaged Mars landers/rovers in a way that we would by now have detected (eg. I’m just a casual reader and your abrasive temperment is obvious to me. The result of an observation can be a fact, but still meaningless. Yup, that’s what I was thinking. User account menu. Wow, you assume a lot about where I’m coming from based on a two sentence reply. This can be isolated. Eye Damage. So the lesson is to always have a shower before entering the living quarters. LC. Facts are the very core of the scientific method via repeatable results, not an irrelevancy as you suggest. Skin Damage. The moon has lots of aluminum. “Sleep is the biggest thing to protect for a crew member,” Albert Holland, a NASA psychologist, said. “Is” or “may be” ? There has to be a chemical or poisonous effect to make it toxic. Now the MOON causes cancer, says so-called “scientists” (and guess who’s paying for them). If you think my statement is ridiculous, it’s because you have previously held beliefs, in which facts have value, and theories do not have value, because you deem theories to be unproven, while somehow facts are proven and therefore you think – completely incorrectly – that facts have value. With the ‘backpack’ functioning as a docking port and airlock, an astronaut may simply open a door on the wall and enter their suit. If she is repeatedly in bed with the same other man, then she is probably having an affair with the man. I have no references against Wikipedia. As space agencies and private companies look toward a future of people living on the moon and Mars, we have to contend with an unpleasant reality: the radiation out there is lethal. Let’s not forget that a toxic substance is harmful due to either chemical or poisonous means. First you sarcastically thank IVAN3MAN for quoting wikipedia, and now you’re telling me I “need to learn” something. scratched lenses, solar panels etc). Facts are not present in the pyramid you refer to. Raw video from the NASA archive shows gravity winning again.Astronauts throwing stuff on the moon.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkXETqJgpBQ& If we observe things like that, then our theory’s predictive capability has been proven. Moon dust, at least according to the information provided in this article, does not interfere with the biological processes. Nearby asteroids are a great source of carbon and platinum ores—and water, once pioneers figure out how to mine the stuff. Potentially dangerous small space rocks are smashing into the Moon a lot more often than was expected, according to an ongoing NASA study. Oh, and you mentioned Asbestos. Only theories have value, because theories can explain things, and also predict things. The first in a series of six articles announcing the supposed discovery of life on the moon appears in the New York Sun newspaper. As long as the lead-in paragraph “above the fold” accurately portrays the true nature of the article, IMO, all’s fair in love and blogging. Snow is common in winter and lightning can be a danger on the exposed lava fields in spring and summer. NASA certainly tries to achieve high levels of safety and there’s nothing wrong with that. Jupiter is a planet, so the rubble between Mars and Jupiter is called …. The disease that would be caused by inhalation of lunar dust is similar to Silicosis. Strong winds can and do blow at any time of year. It would still be a theory.). 4. Enceladus, icy geyser moon of Saturn. Undoubtedly, it's a wonderful place to explore, especially with augmented reality vision. And although a lunar habitat may never provide the protective bubble we take for granted on Earth, there may be a variety of options for safer lunar living. So observations are the key to good theories. Oh, I see. Tardigrades, which live on every continent on Earth, are also (maybe) living on the moon, following the crash of a lunar lander carrying thousands of the microscopic water bears. There is no way that the abrasive qualities of moon dust is toxic. This is the cause of the infamous “dark side of the Moon!” Because of this, you would always see Earth in roughly the same spot in your sky. Note to self: Always wear a spacesuit when walking on the Lunar surface…. The mudporch would be nothing more than a grated metal platform, through which any loosened dust would fall to the surface below (and it would fall through the vacuum like a rock, not linger in the air like dust on Earth). But if you were doing it anyway, there are many effects. “It’s an instantaneous reminder of the fact that those high-energy particles are going through your whole body — not just through your optic nerve,” said Chris Hadfield, a Canadian astronaut who commanded the station in 2013. You put the cut right after “The moon itself may be toxic to humans” in bold. “Stanton and Layard hypothesized in 1977–78 that toxicity of fibrous materials is not initiated by chemical effects”. They talk at some length about how and | Sign up for the weekly Science Times email.]. — Because lunar dust behaves slightly different than the dust on Earth. As our closest neighbor in space, a time-capsule of planetary evolution and the only world outside of Earth that humans have stepped foot on, the Moon is an obvious and ever-present location for future exploration by humans. It’s much closer and has a generous selection of minerals. Theories abound, some bizarre and unlikely, some quite plausible. Theories. This is really scary. In the hierarchy of importance, facts are at the lowest level. (NASA/JSC). People on Earth are protected from cosmic rays thanks to Earth’s magnetic field, but an unprotected, Mars-bound astronaut would receive 0.3 sieverts of radiation on a one-way trip—that’s hardly close to the lethal dose of 8 sieverts or even the radiation sickness–causing dose of 1 sievert, but researchers think that amount (equivalent to 24 comp… A recent study suggests that our lunar neighbor is tectonically active, with moonquakes as large as 5.5-magnitude earthquakes. Living on the moon could be far more dangerous than thought. Please learn something about science. See no ads on this site, see our videos early, special bonus material, and much more. “Facts have a well-known liberal bias.”. Your bones would lose calcium. 'The Moon has been up there as long as evolution has been taking place, and lunar rhythms are embedded in the life cycles of many organisms,' Tom says. Corrections: An earlier version of this post said the moon was 1,000 miles wide. 3. We need to understand and explain reality, however, and for that we need to progress far beyond mere facts, and to the ultimate goal: a Theory. This belongs to R&M problems, not egress problems. Only repeatable obvervations have some value. The solution doesn’t seem all that difficult. The highest level of anything the scientific method can produce. In the case of lung tissue this can induce an auto-immune disorder that destroys tissue, which is emphysema. – We want to go to the Moon anyway, for the science reasons Jason mentioned in his article. It does not accurately use the term “toxic” (while the linked article on arxiv does use the term correctly). Artificial light revolutionized life on earth. Mitigations will include active dust transport by electrodynamical means already proposed for landers and habitats, atmosphere and water handling, and monitoring crew health. “Since 2010, NASA has been testing out the effects of what living in space can do to the human body, to prepare them for the journey to Mars, and also for living there” 9. Sharp, clingy and toxic. That means the act of simply walking around on the moon might be perilous. The fictional stories became known as "The Great Moon Hoax." First mining on the moon probably won't involve strip mining and hauling all of the material away. log in sign up. And Simply tangling with equal sized chromosomes is one hypothesis. I agree 100% with your provided reference as to what a FACT is. Geezzz Corrie…. Though I would think not having an atmosphere, the solar wind would take care of the erosion part for you. Throw in the intense contrast between light and dark — unlike anything we see here on Earth — and those changes in the terrain can play tricks on your eyes. Also, I never said you were confused about theories and hypotheses. So when I say facts are unimportant, it’s because they are. I am happy with this.”. Your one fact (she’s in bed with another man) means stuff all. But right now we have no way of knowing. These folks just want to discuss ideas with friendly debate about what is or isn’t viable. Whether lunar dust makes its way into the eye via airborne movement (again, much more of a concern in microgravity) or through direct contact from fingers or another dust-coated object, the result is the same: danger of abrasion. In fact, there are a long list of other interesting facts about our Moon that nearly all people know. Asbestos directly makes you sick. There’s got to be a way to clean them, though. Hugs to Ceres to prove me wrong on this. In addition to that, the stuff is ALSO rough and abrasive. Sleep may not come easy on the moon. So, according to you, if you find your wife in bed with another man, it will “NEVER EVER WILL CONFIRM a fact” that she’s having an affair, eh? Any irritation to tissue induces a primary immune response which causes further irritation. My comparison with a tabloid is rather unfair then, since they tend to hide the truth in last paragraph! Unfortunately, you are very adept at evading knowledge. Here are the most serious risks. Astronaut Frank Borman suffered such a bad bout of space sickness on the way to the moon … It is _so_ worth it! This is not a toxic property either. in poison would be worse than a round smooth rock coated in poison. Just what that lunar habitat will look like remains a tough question, in part because radiation can penetrate most materials now used in space construction. These test predicted observations, and should result in some more repeatable observations. But facts have no intrinsic value. Now: do you actually understand what you’ve pasted there? Experience from ‘debates’ with AGW deniers, in the Universe Today comments, has taught me that the likes of you are only trolling for a reaction! 'The challenge is working out when the Moon truly is a factor and what is merely myth and legend.' One example would be that if we can support the theory that my wife is having an affair, and we do so by repeated observations, then it should be the case that our marriage changes. On Earth, sleep deprivation makes us fuzzy, but on the moon it is plain dangerous. Here is a part of the article you might have skipped O THY FAT ONE. Moron. The very notion is stupid. Also, observations NEVER EVER WILL CONFIRM a fact. When moon dust is disturbed, small particles float about, land, and glue themselves to everything.Regolith does not brush off easily, and breathing it can cause pulmonary fibrosis, the lunar equivalent of black lung. It seems you’re starting to understand at last! First you whinge on about Moon dust being “non Toxic”, then when proven wrong you say ” If it’s true that moon dust interferes with oxygen absorption, then lunar dust is toxic. This is a mathematical way to describe the hypothesis, and provides a basis for a test bed before any physical testing. That will require work by scientists to further assess the challenges. There are many examples. It … This is a way to explain observations. It’s definitely the easiest place to test mitigation technology. A recent study even suggests that prolonged exposure could lead to more serious effects, like bronchitis or cancer. That would be worse, in the way that a knife coated The dust is just one problem, but we can engineer around that if necessary. I’ve read a lot of SF books about people living on the Moon, no one ever seems to have considered toxic dust as a possibility. > Why is moon dust dangerous to humans? Any lunar space suit will need periodic maintenance. may be toxic…” Another solution seems only natural: building living quarters underground. “May” is the operative word here. Are you now going to find some other word in the Wikipedia copy-and-paste which you imagine to invalidate my point? Invariably when we write about living on Mars, some ask why not go to the Moon instead? Asbestos fibers set up a range of immune and cell-tissue responses. The good news is they can put a magnet filter in the ventilation system to snag any big bits in the air/airlock. Or, as you’ve posted in your brilliantly well thought out comment, that there has to be a direct physical interference with biological processes due to the nature of the substance. Let’s see: These laws are only artefacts of theories, and do not control reality. Dust from asteroids over regolith moons to Mars is largely impact created and radiation processed, and share the properties of being physically and chemically aggressive. 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